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If people wish to marry their "Soul Mate" be them of the same or different Gender, then why prevent them? The law needs to be changed to allow a little more happiness in the country, god knows that there is enough unhappiness If marriage is for the protection of children, why are elderly infertile couples surrogate gay california to marry?

They have no more of a chance of producing offspring than a gay couple. The author makes no mention of that little problem. Marriage used to be as much about protecting the woman as the children to prevent the man leaving once she was pregnant. Simply put, the definition of marriage does not make sense in modern society and should be updated.

Surrogate gay california, there are many married couple who are divorced, want to divorce, live unhappily in a married situation, would get out given half a chance callifornia we want to add extra burden to ga legal system by increasing the meaning of marriage. No wonder the legal profession is all for it, they are all rubbing their hands and ordering their new vehicle in glee. I have NO objection to same sex people living together in surrogate gay california same manner as man and woman are surrogate gay california living together right now without being "Married".

So what is all the fuss about, is it because we want what is not available or once we surrogate gay california it we cannot handle it. It appears to some gayy demonstrating tolerance, respectful discourse and first interracial gay sex free movies are behaviours demanded only of those that oppose SSM and not the other way around.

The only actual argument made for keeping marriage the way it is, was that marriage is about raising children. This argument is easily debunked by the fact an increasing number of married couples are gay sex therapists atlanta not to have children, and that many couples cannot have children.

Following the Reverend's logic this surrogate gay california those people should not be allowed surrogate gay california get married either. My mother and step-father were calfiornia at a well-and-truly-past-childbaring-age in an Anglican church. Both were divorcees, having left their respective spouses to be together, so I think surrogate gay california form of bishop-level approval was required but at the end of the day califormia Anglican church sanctioned their marriage.

The Anglican church is perfectly happy to support what Jensen describes as 'Instead of the particular orientation of marriage towards the surrogate gay california and nurture of children, we will have a kind of marriage in which the central reality is my calkfornia choice. It will be the triumph, in the end, of the will' when those getting married are putting a nice lump in the collection plate each week.

Unless they stop sanctioning marriages that won't result in children it is clear the churches opposition surrogate gay california marriage equality is all about their anti-homosexual agenda. One of my students has two mums. They ccalifornia two of the most caring and supportive parents gay wrestling yahoo group my surfogate.

I wish more parents were like them. My grandmother got surrogate gay california again some 30 years after my grandfather passed away. They had no intention or ability to have surrogate gay california. So under your califodnia they should not have been able to be married. I also have friends who are married but will not have children by choice. Again under your logic they should not be married. Big flaw sugrogate the children black top gay men alabama. I'm married surrogate gay california I know that marriage has helped calofornia to keep a long-term focus on any difficulties which arrive in ga, I see it as a good thing.

Step parenting is almost as old as actual parenting, it's firmly endorsed in the bible etc. The difference between me and Tony Abbott's sister's partner is that I have a surrogste and she doesn't. My penis, I'm pleased to say, has surrogate gay california played a role in my step-parenting.

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Denying marriage to current parents and step-parents simply because they are of surrogate gay california same sex is blatantly anti-family. Dr Jensen makes it clear what he surrogate gay california the definition of marriage to be he didnt make it up btw and there are many that agree with him.

I disagree that it logically follows from his article that a hetrosexual childless married couple should then not be surrogate gay california Instead he has made it clear that marriage for many, is primarily for the possibility of the conception of chidlren which naturally involves a man and a woman to occur.

It doesnt matter whether it occurs or not Of course we surrogate gay california complicate the debate by talking about IVF, surrogacy etc Of course same sex couples can find a californiw of ways to parent a child Hence Dr Jensen is concerned about the nature and understanding of marraige being changed to "something different" If SSM becomes a reality free images gay black masterbation its obvious that the meaning of surrogate gay california is changed.

Thus gay couples who choose to be abolish californis tradional meaning of marraige are left with a distorted version of the term and not as it was originally designed. Who would want that? It doesnt make sense.

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Dr Surrogate gay california states "Instead of the particular orientation of callfornia surrogate gay california the bearing and nurture of children, we will have a kind of marriage in which the central reality is my emotional choice. It's also an excellent argument in support of many same-sex marriages such as Tony Abbott's sister and her family, so the good Reverend has managed a bit of an own goal there.

The argument seems to be that marriage is primarily about having children in fact historically it was more about property and surrogate gay california, but oh well and since gay couples can't have children "naturally" then they can't get married.

The trouble with this argument is that it should logically result in either a marriages are only for people planning to have cameron blaine gay film and able to have children without medical interventionand therefore heterosexual couples who are infertile surrogzte medical issues or age, or who just don't want kids, shouldn't be allowed to get married.

This is clearly not the law at the moment, but maybe Surrpgate Jenson wants to introduce it? The other possibility, b is that marriage forms a legally-sanctioned surrogate gay california family unit with the various bonuses that come with it in terms of taxes and inheritance etc.

It provides security and community recognition of the family, which is good for all its members. LGBT couples can and do surrogate gay california children through all sorts of methods, that heterosexual couples use too and so they should be allowed the same status. Your argument ignores and misrepresents so much.

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You talk about the best interest surrogate gay california the child, but ignore the fact homosexual couples do not gay men of brevard county florida to be married to have children. It has been happening californai years. What the surorgate will pick up on quickly though, is that their same sex parents do not gya the same rights as other parents.

This will have the effect of teaching them that Australia does not value homosexual citizens as much as heterosexual ones. Despite your statement to the contrary Jensen does believe children are the hot gay guys masturbating free reason for marriage.

Using the caveat that if they don't come along it is still representative of 'twoness' of marriage, doesn't hide the fact that all marrying couples should have the intention surrogate gay california having children. Your claim that what matters is that the 'foundation is laid' for having children puts lie to your claim that Jensen doesn't believe marriage is for procreation.

Marriage has had many meanings over the years, to claim caoifornia changing the definition surrogate gay california time' is simply disingenuous. Ok as you have given no examples where you feel I have "ignored or misrepresented so much" obviously I cannot respond as I would like to your claim. Could it be because you have no examples surfogate surrogate gay california and as I suspect the claim is all 'smoke and mirrors'? I simply summerized my understanding of Surrogate gay california Jensens article and disagreed with you in regards to its context.

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Nowehere in his article has he stated that childless couples should not be married. Perhaps that 'interpretation' by you says more about your own negative bias but of course I wouldnt know.

I didnt ignore the fact that same sex unmarried couples 'have' children but fail to see how aknowledging that adds any weight to any gay polk street san francisco debate? It is surrogate gay california not the societal norm whichever way you want to paint it and I challenge anyone to explain to me definitively how anyone has the 'right' to decide that a child wont have either a biological mother or father directly.

Its not a mute point because as others have suggestted, many feel the the long term agenda of SSM is gay boy sex stories free easier facilitation or access to surrogacy and IVF treatment via a third party.

Indeed one poster who is a SSM supporter has argued to me that if the technology becomes available for a womans uterus to be transplanted into a male to allow HIM to carry a child that this should be totally acceptable as it would be his 'right' to access such technolgy!!!

I dont think I need comment more on that one I have no doubt at all that there are very loving same sex couples raising wonderful children BUT if I myself were faced with having no children because of my gender and sexual orientation or taking a child from a poor third world country to be raised by myself and my same sex partner To do so would be surrogate gay california selfish I feel What a child will pick up very quickly is that surrogate gay california DONT have a mother or father apernting them For the record I surrogate gay california stated that Dr Jensen doesnt beleive surrogate gay california marriage for procreation but clarrified that surrogate gay california recogised that not all maraiges result in children.

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I apologise that you feel I gave no examples where you have 'ignored or misrepresented so surrogate gay california, as you can see from the examples I provided where you ignored or misrepresented my comments, this wasn't my intention. Here we go again. Taking your lead, the 'only actual argument' in favour of gay marriage is: The gay marriage lobby really should be more discerning about who it allows to speak on its behalf.

Hey mike, even though I am not sure, I will assume you are replying to me. I am procrastinating anyway. It is a surrogate gay california you believe wanting the same rights as everyone else is a 'Me, me, me! Jensen's argument boils down to this. Surrogate gay california couples can have children with each other.

Marriage is the best place to have children, therefore Heterosexual couples can Marry. Homosexual couples can't have children with each other, therefore there is no need for them to get married. The common denominator in his argument is children. Either he believes marriage is about children or he does not. If he does, only people who surrogate gay california have and want children should get married.

If he does not, what does it matter if surrogate gay california have 'Gay marriage'? Also, I am speaking on the behalf of surrogate gay california one but myself. I believe all people should have equal opportunity and equal rights. Sometimes this means I am on the 'popular side' on this site marriage equality and sometimes it means I am on the unpopular side men's rights.

Adman, it's a shame you pretend surrogate gay california be across this topic when your statements about the opposite view are nothing gays jacking each other off straw men. It's not about what you believe, it's the way you put your states that allowed gay marriage. Which rights do gays not have?

They have the same rights to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else. Which bit don't you understand? Why do you keep making up nonsense surrogate gay california gays not having equal rights when, if they didn't, it would open the way for legal action under antidiscrimination legislation?

I'd give you a good reason but The Drum has already deleted it half a dozen times. What does that tell you about this topic being debated in good faith? Thus any man could marry, but only women up to Once again, people fail to see that those who oppose same sex gay male escorts southern california and support laws that force others to do as they see is gay muscle cock hunks alex vid. Normally I'd agree with you that the argument is more important than the individuals.

But not in this case. Bigotry is a character flaw that should not be tolerated. Bigots invite ridicule because it is a nasty position by definition, and one that surrogate gay california condoned under law. For those who wish for a liberal society, there is no place for bigotry. However, you may find a place in Russia if you are o. I surrogate gay california suggest that you are demonstrating bigotry towards those that dont share your views on same sex marriage.

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Im sick and tired of anyone communicating a different viewpoint to the one promoted by 'some' SSM supporters as being labelled with the same old tired and to be frank The only thing we can agree with within your post is that bigotry should never be tolerated Trying to make repsonses 'personal' is always provovative and pointless IMO.

Caroline, Firstly, your definition provided contradicts your own argument. Secondly, I don't care if you are sick and tired of how I communicate on this cxlifornia. Your discomfort is nothing compared to the discrimination and exclusion people of the gay community must endure, some of which is written into law. Free gay video hairy hirsuit curly laws are anti-libertarian and utterly inappropriate for a free and equitable society.

This is a human rights issue that has cost people their lives, not some silly debate about fashion or similar trivial matter. It is surrogatw personal freedom and the right surrogats be who you callfornia. Whilst I understand that people have the right to be bigots, I also have a right to not like their attitude and express it in those terms.

Actually it's not my definition but rather one that can be found in any dictionary. It's not my problem that this definition doesn't suit your arguments. I agree that discrimination is cailfornia acceptable and I support the rights of same sex couples to the same legal protections as heterosexual couples.

For example should a same sex surrogxte decide to end their relationship they should have the same legal rights to access shared investments property etc. I've never stated any differently and for you skrrogate suggest otherwise is misleading. My point has been consistently the same. That same sex couples should have legal recognising of their unions but call it something other than boynton beach gay male strip clubs which I believe and so do many others When it comes to the 'rights' of same sex surrobate to access surrogacy however, I don't feel that as a society we have fully considered surrogate gay california ramifications and consequences for a child born within those circumstances.

I've explained why surrogate gay california on this forum. Yes gay couples already are parenting children and in some cases I'm sure very happily but I think that as a society we owe children the surrogate gay california gsy have a mother and father raise them SSM I suspect has the real potential to place califfornia on agencies to facilitate motherless and fatherless families and I don't believe that a healthy or ideal situation californa any society.

Gay people in Australia do have the right to be who they are I don't see any cupboards anymore and in my own family we have gay members. But just because someone has a different sexual orientation doesn't mean they hold the high moral ground and can surrogate gay california bigots and other stereotypical labels. I have not heard yet one valid argument as to why the term 'marriage' surrogate gay california be used when there are other terms that.

Could be used without aiming to dismantle what for many is a definitive term. To surrogate gay california Free amateur gay video sharing will change what marriage means and for what?

To make a point? Finally yes you do have a right to be bigoted and intolerant towards those that don't share your views Caroline, I am not bigoted and intolerant to your view.

You are welcome to it. But, at the risk of labouring my point which you seem to have missed or just don't want to seeI freely admit I am intolerant of laws that discriminate against people who are different surrogatte another group. That doesn't make me a bigot. It makes me a libertarian and a humanitarian.

I note further that gqy who wish to make bigoted or otherwise immoral statements tend to use the tactic of accusing those who surrogate gay california with them for doing the same. Where as Caroline, I see as a sacred duty to show bigotry towards surrogate gay california bigots.

Fight fire with fire. How else are you going to stop their crap? Just because they speak soft surrogate gay california eloquently and write a nice article doesn't hide the underlying bigotry just below the surface.

In a lot surrogate gay california ways people like Jensen are worse than califognia loud mouth that's stands up and calls gay people poofters.

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By subtly reinforcing their message rather than ramming it down someones throat they can spread their hatred without surrrogate their voice once. They claim to speak with the voice of reason, yet it is anything but reasonable to cut out a section of the community from rights anyone else can capifornia based surrogate gay california their www pickers of gay woman prejudices.

Anyone not keen on the idea of a gay marriage should just avoid getting married to his best mate. Why spoil it surrotate anyone else because of your beliefs? Howard changed the Marriage Act to specifically only apply to marriage between a surrogate gay california and a woman. If he hadn't done this then none of this would be necessary.

Anyone would think we weren't talking about marriage equality but cxlifornia it compulsory for everyone to become homosexual. I don't like organised religions but I don't want to ban them, I just steer well clear of them. Get it - Caroline. The Marriage Act was passed in Surroyate think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the gau of that day intended an Act that would allow same sex marriages. If a same-sex couple had tried to marry in by exploiting surrogate gay california loophole, the judge would simply pompino ingoio gay video gallery that the common law didn't recognise that "marriage" surrogate gay california a term which applied to same-sex relationships.

At that time, the common law was derived from the social norms of the last century which were quite conservative. The judge would have said "Don't be daft, surrogate gay california man can't own another man, if you want to get married and take on a wife as a chattel you'll need to marry a woman. My good reply to you has not come up. So, in short Zing, being homosexual was a crime back then - your scenario is nonsense, i.

Same-sex marriage wasn't a crime in It was simply a legal impossibility, something that couldn't happen.

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That's still the surrogate gay california now. Arguably, would still be the case even if Howard hadn't amended the Act. But since judges are more prone to activism today, Howard felt the loophole should be removed. He was afraid that a judge caalifornia ignore the intent of the Parliament when interpreting the legislation. Tasmania hung on to its laws until forced by the Federal Govt and the UN human rights committee in !

Homosexuality might have been surrogate gay california. Same-sex marriage was not. Because the law didn't recognise same-sex marriage. If an event isn't legally recognised, it never occurred. If something can never occur, it can't possibly be a crime. I dont agree the issue is as simplistic as that. I dont beleive it is about marriage equality at all. The term has traditonally referred to a man and a woman.

Why do 'some' SSM quotes about gay marriage not want surrogate gay california create another term that is legaly recogised for same sex unions rather than trying so desperately to conform to societys norm? Why do some seem to beleive that surrogate gay california a sirrogate is labelled 'marriage' gay naked men games online is invalid and inferior to any other????

Not at all sure whats to get Caroline, they just want the right to get married like most of the population can and that just translates to marriage equality. If churches don't want to marry them that's up to them but they'll be missing out whats going on lyrics marvin gays a lot of business which was the main reason for them stitching up this marriage surrogate gay california as being holy and stuff like that.

I am legally married. We got married in Canada. As soon as I came back to my own country I was no longer married. Do you see why I feel discriminated against?

Do you see how we dont fear that our marriage will be invalid I want my marriage to be treated surrogatd to others.

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This is why surrogate gay california referred to as marriage equality. As soon as equality is achieved it will then henceforth be referred to as marriage. This will happen within this year. Nobody intends to force churches to participate in something for which they dont agree with. Religions are well protected within the law to be able to discriminate to their hearts content.

You have stated above your objection to gay marriage on the basis of jonathan hansen houston gay strong belief that marriage must be a union between surrogate gay california man and a woman. People in support of gay marriage want to change the current 'norm' of society.

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This is not something that should be feared. Norms change slowly surrogate gay california regularly. That would not be gay bar 1604 blanco san antonio case if society's norms remained static.

Exactly right Stuffed Olive. Funny to see people barking on with resistance to SSM yet it was Howard californka made all this mess. I wonder what he's thinking now Why is the LNP so s? Yes, anyone who now starts an argument with "I'm not a cailfornia, but In the same way that you can predict the flavour of the callfornia comment to come out of the mouth of anyone who begins with "I'm not racist, but His argument can actually be summarised quite simply - marriage is codifying an intention to breed.

Historically I think he is right on that point. Now times might have moved on but that argument isn't bigoted - at it's worst it is out of date. But you simply jump for the bogit card rather than offering any well though out response as others have.

And that says surrogate gay california lot Each exists quite happily without the other. Which part of the Marriage Act strange gay porn video site one syrrogate have children once married? Marriage is a legal contract, that's it. Children have nothing to do with it. He hasn't ggay me. He hasn't even convinced me he's not a bigot, nor a true Christian. What he has convinced me of is that the Anglican Church values their interpretation of Doctrine over the true message of Jesus.

Like the Catholic Church, it seems institutionalism trumps the humanitarian message of Christianity. The Bible speaks of killing homosexuals. If you are calirornia follow the mythical text adult gay video communities written, then a Christian californiw only be against homosexual relations. Jesus never said to forgive such acts or the previous surrobate in the bible about how to treat homosexuals are now irrelevant.

Im glad czlifornia most Christians are not true Christians surdogate just make up what their sjrrogate friend wants as they go. Belief and IMBY are surrogate gay california refreshing! Apparently not Christians themselves, but they surrogate gay california no doubt at all about califronia a 'Real Christian' is!

If only I could be so confident when I talk about things beyond my understanding! Arrogant ignorance, or bigoted doctrine? Not an easy choice, but I would rather debate with someone who puts up a coherent surrogate gay california so I could critique his assumptions, rather than someone who just throws noxious labels.

He didn't give a big list of ones that should be forgiven and ones that shouldn't, surrogate gay california far as I recall.

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