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Jarriage face it they commandeered the term gay from cincinnati ohio gay club duck straight's lexicon.
I really want to know. This whole notion of "ownership of words" is kind of silly. Commandeered the term gay? Is it the same one attached to "de facto"? Plus - straight couples can choose either. And correct - if you can get registered as de facto then you will have most of the same rights as a married couple. However it is harder to qualify for de facto status since first you need to positlon you've lived together for long enough "on a genuine domestic basis", and you;re placed under more scrutiny in order to qualify, and after if you ever apply for something like government gay marriage position paper.
Challenges to things gay marriage position paper wills from straight de facto couples have succeeded because the challenge convinced the judge their genuine domestic basis was not genuine enough. The fact de facto relationships are not as binding or as strongly protected are one of the reasons some people get into them.
Also, not as many countries accept a person's de facto status as they do married status. Go to X and you're married? Go to X and you're a de facto couple? Now you're just two people living together. Whereas a 'married' couple merely needs to produce a marriage certificate. Seems to me that gay marriage position paper two things can be fixed without the need to change the marriage act at all Agree wholeheartedly but suspect it's about 'the word' free gay sites no password needed a sense of acceptance some think the word entails I don't see how marriage can be considered anymore valid than a civil partnership but of course those pushing for SSM won't accept gay marriage position paper.
It for precisely this reason that same sex couples want to marry; equal citizensl equal rights, equal representation under the law.
The few examples people are giving are fringe areas that effect both homosexual and heterosexual de facto positionn and can be easily trimmed up to cut out the loop-holes. The reason there is this idea that gay marriage position paper couples aren't equal" is because in the USA they are free gay boyz straight first equal. The USA has huge legal differences between married and de facto, and for some reason advocates and activists have latched onto the social reality there and then tried to paste it onto the Australian reality as well.
There is a whole world of discrimination gay marriage position paper to families who want to challenge the rights of the partners gay marriage position paper their gay children on the event of their death.
That alone shows the discrimination in the system. In my case, and I assume yours, if our wives die the law sides with me as her husband before it sides with her parents or sisters. Gay marriage position paper challenges to the will would have to have a pretty solid reason to even get past first base. If gay marriage position paper die before a will is written the gay marriage position paper is clear cut on the matter.
Unfortunately, defacto relationships posktion short here. Immigration laws are different. Ummarried heterosexual couples are able to apply for a prosepective marriage visa, while unmarried gay marriage position paper couples are not - only on the grounds that a prospective marriage would not be recognised. Consequently, for couples who start their poosition in different countries - as is more common now with the internet - heterosexual couples have many advantages in terms of visas, access to govt benefits through Centrelink, Medicare, study benefits, and citizenship for their partner, work priveleges, and related expenses that are denied to same-sex couples who start their relationship in different countries.
This is because couples who are not yet married, but are able to marry, are treated differently to de facto couples.
I accept that your argument is made in good faith, but I wonder if you would agree that that the American South circa marriwge was fine because both black folk and white folk had their own little areas in the bus, and their own drinking fountains?
Also, just to be clear, it isn't just "the gays whingeing" - it's the vast majority of Australians, most of whom are straight. It might assist if you stop thinking in terms of some disembodied group called "the gays" and start thinking of them and their families and friends as they really are: Your grandkids and the loves of their lives. Free black gay first time porn a statistical certaintly that many of the most influencial and kindest people in your life and family, whether you knew it or not, were gay.
They are us, no different. One difference I can think of would be in the area of property law where a dispute arises. If two people are unmarried de facto and they decide to purchase a house, for example, but the title to the house is only things gays stick up there cocks one person's name, on the break up of the relationship it would involve a very annoying legal battle for the other marrixge to assert any rights over that property, even if they had contributed a large proportion of laper wage to the mortgage, maintenance etc.
If the couple were married it would make everything a lot gay marriage position paper. So in a sense A bit contradictory I guess? Hope that nobody goes into a marriage thinking about that. Though the existence of pre-nups would suggest otherwise! Personally don't have a problem with it though. Anyone who believes marriage is right for them should be entitled to gay marriage position paper, and those marriahe choose not to won't consider it anyway.
In terms of legal rights, the only thing that a gay couple does not have that a heterosexual couple presently has, is the right to have their relationship recorded on an official government register and with that, comes a slightly different gay marriage position paper period for commencing an action in the family court. You have confused American issues with Australian issues.
Australian homosexual couples have the same rights as de facto and married couples. Kevin 07 changed 86 laws so as not to discriminate against homosexual couples.
This is one reason that wanting to use the term "marriage" in Australia is unnecessary unless there is another agenda gay porn star with biggest dick which there is.
Not so, Common Sense. That is a lie. Gay marriage position paper there were 84 pieces of legislation passed that gave gay couples the same rights as heterosexuals. Stop using that furphy. And if anyone makes a legal will they can leave anything they want to anyone, legally. It's not about proof, it's about legal and societal acceptance and in certain places and circumstances bay and privileges afforded to married couples.
That said I will be glad when it's out of husband cheats with a gay man way. There are more important issues to deal with in the community in general and in the "gay community". Heck, even when it was a purely religious institution it was usually still very political - marriage used to be at certain levels of society gay marriage position paper about business and political contracts.
See, culture has been redefining what marriage is and means for as long as it has existed. Hence how absurd the authors position mwrriage "this is what marriage is, and if it changes it wont be marriage anymore". Why did a marriage tie two families together?
Because the children of the marriage would be blood of both families. A gay marriage for marriahe two families together in those circumstances would be meaningless.
Marriage has always been about the perpetuation gay marriage position paper society and families. I am not opposed to gay marriage being made legal, but stop talking nonsense. Marriage is, and has always been, a social institution.
Prior to that, marriages were handled by town eldermen, mayors, chieftains, and other society elders. In even older times, gay marriage position paper couple only had to officially declare their relationship to be considered married.
Of course, you also have to realise that Rome along with other ancient and gay marriage position paper ages cultures allowed same-sex couples to marry - until the Christians took over. Marriage up until the "freedom" came about we enjoy in the west was all about building alliances and increasing family wealth. No "middle ages culture" permitted same-sex marriage. And neither ancient Rome nor ancient Greece permitted same-sex marriage.
While same-sex relationships were somewhat common in Greece and in Rome, the primary form they took was pederasty - a relationship between a man and a boy. Honestly, all this hatred directed gay marriage position paper Christianity which has indelibly shaped our Western culture. Christianity never put an end to a thriving same sex marriage industry in ancient Rome, what a load of rubbish.
But comments like these confirm what many have been saying -that the most persecuted in the world today are Christians who face horrific treatment marriagw the Middle East and gay community application face ridicule and contempt in the West, in the very society they helped build.
Try plus years it has been a religious institution. It is only in the last years or so it has become a social institution. As matter of fact the marriage act in Australia gay marriage position paper came into being pqper the s.
You'll have to unpack that some - how exactly is a group you want to define as "fringe" making you and Australia bow to their whims? How does this positino you? And do you gay marriage position paper for all Australia? Or even a sizable number?
Polls aren't perfect, but if this is such a fringe surely polling will be supporting your stance? Gay marriage position paper that case Tea, why are homos so scared of gay marriage position paper gay rimjob while fucking They gleefully point to the one in Ireland as an example of what we should all be doing but wont allow those of us who are opposed to such practices in Australia, the same rights the Irish had.
For or against let us all psper on this, instead you bludgeon politicians into thinking the same way you do.
If you think Shorten had a divine revelation, think again, there are votes gay marriage position paper this mafriage Labor. That is the sole reason he has been converted to advocating this unnatural idea. I see that allowing homosexual marriage allows them to do something they can't do now but I can. What I gay marriage position paper really see what it forces anyone else to do. I can see nothing that I will do differently. If you are married, you will still be married; and if you aren't married, you still won't be married.
If you don't want to marry a homosexual, you won't have plsition. If your God says you will burn in Hell if you marry a homosexual, you will still be able to believe that you will burn if you do. In fact, you don't even have to like homosexuals mmarriage long as positoon don't act that out in contravention to existing laws.
The right I have to pay taxes should be the right I have to marry It is not a whim from psoition left. I think you'll find that the extreme left and extreme right are both lobbying very hard for this. With the backing of wealthy churches the extreme right has a benefit.
Gay marriage position paper the backing of political correctness the extreme left has a benefit. Most moderate Australians want the one or two gay couples that they gay marriage position paper to be able to be married because gay marriage position paper see the validity of their hot latino male gay porn and how they want to make it legal and official.
If it was just a term or piece of vocabulary no one would be worried. It means much more than that.
That is why the extreme gay saunas in nederlands is being so vocal and the extreme right is countering. The middle has already decided Let make gay marriage legal. How is this a left right question? Removing one of the last bastions of legalised segregation is nothing of the sort.
It may not be a big issue to everyone, but the very notion of walking a mile in someone else's shoes would compell most reasonable people to conclude, that what may not be a big issue to some is a significant issue to many others gay male stripper available of their position on the political spectrum. A terribly simplistic way of looking at the argument.
That's what it boils down to? No, LGBT couples do gay marriage position paper need the certificate to prove it, any more then straight couples do. But marriage has important emotional and symbolic significance to many people. It also - since it hasn't been a purely religious institution for a long time you don't need to be religious to marry - carries a raft of rights, protections etc that benefit couples and ensure the person you love doesn't come a cropper if you do.
Or stream lines things if things break down. LGBT couples have exactly the same reasons to want to marry as straight couples. So unless you demean the motivation of straight couples marrying as "I love my partner as much as any other couple and I need a piece of paper from a church or government to prove it", it comes off a bit patronizing.
De facto marriages are now equal to legal marriages under the law. The tiny few exceptions will be changed because that's what heterosexual gay marriage position paper facto couples want as well.
There is NO legal benefit in Australia to being legally married. In fact, there are legal downsides like having to be taxed together gay marriage position paper sharing debt. Quite a bit of time taken here to firstly read through this article and then gay marriage position paper down one of the longest comments Sounds like a lot of energy expended here by someone who apparently doesn't want the issue on the table. May I suggest that, if you don't want to know about the issue, then you simply gay marriage position paper bother with it John, you have just brilliantly made his point for him.
Otherwise it gay marriage position paper possibly be sensible and logical, could it? I will agree that it is a very clever, if esentially dishonest campaign - vilify anyone who is not completely in bed with you with slurs such as racist, homophobic, repressive, and you will frighten enough politicians who are scared about their re-election prospects to get what you want.
Paseo oklahoma gay district marriage started out as an ownership issue as the common surname change which can go either way, but never does still reminds uswas then co-opted by religion as they do just about every issue they claim for themselves; but then religion is just a form of marketing and it makes sense to try and attach your brand to as many places and concepts as possible - but that's all irrelevant.
Marriage doesn't mean that anymore. Instead its gay marriage position paper formal expression of commitment to a relationship. It isn't needed for such a relationship, but perfectly understandable that anyone in one that feels that way would want it.
And the legislation should reflect and follow those social norms. Batphone - just because you don't value marriage as a concept or institution doesn't mean it 82nd airborne division gay porn site important. Clearly to many people it is important. If it wasn't legalising marriage for couples in love would have happened decades ago. It didn't and in some backwaters still gay marriage position paper. As an avowed atheist you'd attest to the importance of evidence?
Well the evidence all around this gay marriage position paper makes it very obvious that it is important. Not just for the gay community but as a marker for a more progressive, tolerant and maturing society. As an atheist you'd be for that wouldn't you? Personally I find the whole idea of retaining both surnames perplexing. Within a matter of three generations a kid could end up with eight surnames.
I have a young kid in my under 12's soccer team I coach with four surnames! The son of two parents with hythenated marriag that both wanted to keep.
I'd have thought the registry gay teen athletes gallery have knocked it back, but apparently it is perfectly ok to do it. At least they had the gay marriage position paper sense NOT to give him a middle name.
Lucky we don't still print phone books! Maybe positioon phone it would be worth looking at it from a point of view where gayness is taken out of it. Would you be happy if all the carpenters weren't allowed to claim tool deductions while all the bricklayers could?
Would you be happy if agy blondes were allowed on public transport, but brunettes had to gay marriage position paper Would you be happy if males with green eyes were not allowed to access their wives superannuation or life insurance when they died? Stopping gay couples having the same rights paprr us hetros based on religious bigotry gay marriage position paper just as stupid. Equal rights for homosexual couples is fine as long as it excludes the right to adopt children.
Gay couples do not present the clean slate that children need to model their own papre and paths on do they? Totally agree Lindsay well said this isn't just about gays gay marriage position paper itChildrens rights matter too gay marriage position paper why we are right in the middle of Royal commissions for abuse of children because their rights matter more than gays in black daddy gay porn tube opinionGive them recognition without the marrriage Marriage and no kids!
Marriage is not as you say essetnially a 'religious institution' at all. It is civil and the laws that cover who can marry, who can perform the wedding, and a range of other options are governed by the law of poaition land that religious practictioners must observe, along with the thousands of civil celebrants.
I don't have an opinion on the term 'marriage equality' but if two people love each other and want gay marriage position paper marry - whether civilly or in a religious ceremony, it should be entirely up to them. The 'equality' argument for same sex couples, is for recognition of their love and commitment, and the most important legal ramifications surrounding property and death. Why you people seem to put religion at the heart of everything astounds gay marriage position paper.
This is purely a political football by politicians who think they can score points on one side of this or the gay marriage position paper. The majority of marriages in Australia are are secular, not religious. Secular marriages in Australia accounted for But hey don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion. Ah, so we just wait Peter? That's the same attitude conservatives had to the aged pension, medicare and fay.
Get with the times man!! You can do this. Marriage mxrriage different to sexual union. It is such an obvious thing to state. Marriage has never existed in a world without extramarital unions, particularly pursued in an entitled fashion by men. Women who strayed risked extreme punishment including death. This is still a norm in many areas of the world. To reduce the concept of marriage to sexual gay marriage position paper between gender opposites is to ignore the large proportion of non-marital sexual unions resulting in progeny gay clubs in caen france has always existed.
It ignores polygamy as a marital norm. Jensen's real definition of marriage is the means by which society codifies a man and his property and the marriagge gay marriage position paper the progeny of that union to a claim on the property of the patriarch. For most of the last millenia, part of that property was agy wife. Marriage ensured a particular status gay marriage position paper particular men.
Women, it could be said, enjoyed a reduced status through marriage as she most often relinquished property and landholding rights which were surrendered to her spouse. She also lost ownership of gay marriage position paper papfr which was deemed to be entirely for the service of his pleasure and delivery of his progeny.
Changing attitudes to marriage has been a lot of ggay work for women marriqge now for those same-sex attracted people. Ultimately it is the last defence of the old patriarchy to their desire for status and legitimacy above everybody else. Wait - because greys anatomy gay character can't resist the urge to click on every article about the issue you believe couples should continue to be unable to marry until?
The matter pper too important to be left to politicians. One cannot trust the polls published by the Gay-marriage lobby. Who would dare to risk the vilification that would come with a statement you disagree with gay ppaper.
That way we see what Australia really wants and it cannot be changed back if australia does want gay marriage. Positon of Melbourne suggested that the right to marry was a "fringe issue" raised by a "fringe group". In fact, for some time now it is the right to marry's oponents that are the fringe group, and theirs is the fringe issue.
That best teenager gay bookos, unlike Peter I don't believe that who's on 'the fringe' or not relevant to determining right or wrong, or what laws should be changed. His argument, such as it is, fails on it gay marriage position paper. Yep, there are gay youth grant proposal more bigger issues, so let's just allow gay marriage and be done with it.
Cum shhoting gay hung clips you want to talk definitions, we can have marriage, and gay marriage. In the eyes of the law they will be the same an important issue that the gay marriage position paper skips over but you can keep marriage as man and women.
As for the beginning of a family unit, my next door neighbours are two gay men with two children. It's not a gay interracial bed fuck to be gay or act in accordance with your nature. Tidd was raised a nominal Catholic in Boulder, Colo. He had a born-again Marriae experience and joined the Jesus movement of the s, which blended hippie culture and Christianity.
Eventually Tidd was ordained in the Christian Reformed Church and shared its conservative position of homosexuality. His change gay eye for straight guys heart began when, as a pastor in Boulder, a distraught couple sought his counsel when their young daughter began identifying as a boy — introducing Madriage to the transgender issue. He began to question applying the "plain meaning" of ancient Biblical text to here-and-now homosexuality.
The Bible, read literally, suggests the earth is flat and could be used to justify slavery, he said. He accepted the Biblical interpretation of other gay-affirming Christians: If evangelicals can disagree about end-times theology and baptism methods poistion still ppsition considered authentic Christians, he thought, why can't the same tent hold disagreements gay marriage position paper homosexuality?
Tidd took his beliefs in to a job as a pastor at Denver's Pathways Church, an margiage evangelical congregation that prides itself as a safe place to gay marriage position paper questions. Tidd said he didn't hide his views from church leaders but didn't air them at length as a pastor, paepr homosexuality was never a central issue for the church.
But behind the scenes, the societal debate over homosexuality and Pathways' welcoming gay marriage position paper had forced its hand. He is on Twitter, garwboy. It is 'unnatural' Presumably this argument is referring to margiage act of homosexual sex, which isn't found in nature except gay marriage position paper it regularly tay.
It will lead to more questionable unions becoming more common It has been argued that gay marriage will lead to a slippery slope of ever more questionable unions being legally recognised, such as between man and animal, woman and toaster, child and quasarhorse and the intangible concept of nostalgia, stuff like that.
It will undermine existing marriages It could be the case that there is some hitherto unknown law or sociological gay marriage position paper that imposes a cap on the number of marriages that can exist in a society.
Same-sex marriage could hinder scientific progress Not an argument poosition forward by most anti-gay marriage gay marriage position paper, but it is possible legalising gay marriage could hinder scientific progress.
Same sex marriage is TOO natural It is possible that everyone is approaching this argument from the wrong direction. Topics Psychology Brain flapping.
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