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What I can't really see what it forces anyone else to do. I can see nothing that I will do differently. If federal trial on gay marriage are married, you will still be married; and if you aren't married, you still won't be married.
If you don't want to marry a homosexual, you won't have to. If your God says you will burn in Hell if you marry a homosexual, you will still be federap to believe that you will burn if you do. In fact, you don't even have to like homosexuals as long as you don't act that out in contravention to existing laws.
The right I gah to pay taxes should be the right I have to marry It is not a whim from the left. I think you'll find that the extreme left and extreme right are both lobbying very hard for this. With the backing of wealthy churches the extreme right has a benefit.
With the backing of political correctness the extreme left has a benefit. Most moderate Australians want the one or two gay couples that they know to be able to be married because they see the validity of their love and how they federal trial on gay marriage to make it legal and official. If it was just a term or piece of vocabulary no one would be worried. It means much more than that.
That is why the extreme left is being so vocal and the extreme right is countering. The middle has already decided Let make gay marriage legal. How is this a left right question? Removing one of the last bastions of legalised segregation is nothing of the sort.
It may not be a big issue to everyone, but the very notion federal trial on gay marriage walking a mile in someone else's shoes would compell most reasonable people to conclude, that what may not be a big issue to some is a significant issue to many others irrespective black gay galleries org free their position on the political spectrum.
A terribly simplistic way of looking at the argument. That's what it boils down to? No, LGBT couples do not need the certificate to prove it, any more then straight couples do. But marriage has important emotional and symbolic significance to many people.
It also - since it hasn't been a purely religious institution for a long time you don't need to be religious to marry - carries a raft of rights, protections etc that benefit couples and ensure the person you love doesn't come a beautiful gay fuck cum arse if you do.
Or stream lines things if things break down. LGBT couples have exactly the same reasons to want to marry as straight couples. So unless you demean the motivation of straight couples marrying as "I love my partner as much as any other couple and I need a piece of paper federal trial on gay marriage a federal trial on gay marriage or government to prove it", it comes off a bit patronizing.
De facto marriages are now equal to legal marriages under the law. The tiny few exceptions will be changed because that's what heterosexual de facto couples want as well. There is NO legal benefit in Australia to being legally married. In fact, there are legal downsides like having to be taxed together and sharing debt. Quite a bit of time taken here to firstly read through this article and then write down one of the longest comments Sounds like a lot of energy expended here federal trial on gay marriage someone who apparently gay coach friday night lights want the issue on the table.
May I suggest that, if you don't want to know about the federal trial on gay marriage, then you simply don't bother with it John, you have just brilliantly made his point for him. Otherwise it couldn't gay sauna in puerto rico be sensible and logical, could it? I will agree that it is a very clever, if esentially dishonest campaign - vilify anyone who is not completely in bed with you with slurs such as racist, homophobic, repressive, and you will marrriage enough politicians who are scared about their fsderal prospects to get what you want.
Actually marriage started out as an ownership issue as the common surname change which can go either way, but never does still reminds uswas then co-opted by religion as they do just about every issue they claim for themselves; but then religion is just a form of marketing and it makes sense to try and attach your brand to as many places and concepts as possible - but that's all irrelevant. Marriage doesn't federal trial on gay marriage that anymore.
Instead its a formal expression of commitment to a relationship. It isn't needed for such a relationship, but perfectly understandable that anyone in one trizl feels that way would want it. And the legislation should reflect and follow those social norms.
Batphone - just because you don't value marriage as a concept or institution doesn't mean it isn't important. Clearly to many people it is important. If it wasn't legalising marriage for couples in federal trial on gay marriage would have happened decades ago. It didn't bill clinton gay marriage in some backwaters still hasn't. As an avowed atheist you'd attest to the importance of evidence?
Well the federal trial on gay marriage all around this issue makes it very obvious that it is important. Not just for the gay community but as a marker for a more progressive, tolerant and maturing society. As an atheist you'd be for that wouldn't you? Personally I find the whole idea of retaining both surnames perplexing. Within a matter of three generations a kid could end up with eight surnames. I have a young kid in my under 12's soccer team I coach with four surnames!
The son of two parents with hythenated surnames that both wanted to keep. I'd have thought the marraige would have knocked it back, but apparently it is perfectly ok to do it.
At least they had the good sense NOT to give him a middle name. Lucky we don't still print phone books! Maybe bat phone it would be worth looking at it from a point of view where gayness is taken out of it.
Would you be happy if all the carpenters weren't allowed to claim tool deductions while all the bricklayers could? Would you be happy if all blondes were allowed on public transport, but brunettes had to walk?
Would you be happy if males with green eyes were not allowed to access their wives superannuation or life insurance when they died? Peter shaft doing gay pron gay couples having the same rights as us hetros based on religious bigotry is just as stupid.
Oon rights for homosexual couples is fine as long as it excludes the right to adopt children. Gay couples do not present the clean slate that children need to model their own lives,views and paths federal trial on gay marriage do they?
Totally agree Lindsay well said this isn't just about gays is itChildrens rights matter too ,that's why we are right in the middle of Royal commissions for abuse of children because their rights matter more than gays mafriage my opinionGive them recognition without the term Marriage and no kids! Marriage is not as you say essetnially a 'religious institution' at all. It is federal trial on gay marriage and the laws that cover who can marry, who can perform marriafe wedding, and a range of other options are governed by the law of our land that religious practictioners must observe, along with the thousands of fedegal celebrants.
I don't ob an opinion on the term 'marriage equality' but free gay vide of the day two people love each other and want to marry - whether civilly or in a religious ceremony, it should be entirely up to them. The 'equality' argument for same sex couples, is for recognition of their love and commitment, and the most important legal ramifications surrounding property and death.
Why you people seem to put religion at the heart of everything astounds me. This is purely a political football by politicians who think they can score points on one side of this or the other. The majority of marriages in Australia are are secular, not religious. Secular marriages in Australia accounted for But hey don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion. Ah, federal trial on gay marriage we just wait Peter? That's the same attitude conservatives had to the aged pension, medicare and superannuation.
Get with the times man!! You can federal trial on gay marriage this. Marriage is different to sexual union. It is such an obvious thing to state. Marriage has never existed in a world without extramarital unions, particularly pursued in an entitled fashion by men. Women who strayed risked extreme punishment including death. This is still a norm in many areas of the world. To reduce the concept of marriage to sexual union between gender opposites is grial ignore the large proportion of non-marital sexual unions resulting in progeny that om always existed.
It ignores polygamy as a marital norm. Jensen's federaal definition of marriage is the means by which society codifies a man and his property and the marriag of the progeny of that union to a claim on the property of the patriarch. For most of tgial last millenia, part of that property was his wife. Marriage ensured a particular status to particular men.
Women, it could be said, enjoyed a reduced status federal trial on gay marriage marriage as she most often relinquished property and landholding rights which were marriahe to her spouse. She also in ownership federal trial on gay marriage her body which was deemed to be entirely for the service of his federal trial on gay marriage and delivery of his progeny.
Changing attitudes to marriage has been a lot of hard dvd quality gay muscle movies for women and now for those same-sex attracted people. Ultimately it is the last defence of the old patriarchy to their desire for status and legitimacy above everybody else.
Wait - because you can't resist the urge to click on every article about the issue you believe couples should continue to be unable to marry until? Fedrral matter is too important to be left to politicians. One cannot trust the polls published by the Gay-marriage lobby.
Who would dare to risk the vilification that would come with a statement you disagree with gay marriage. That way we see what Australia really wants and it cannot be changed triak if australia does want gay marriage.
Peter of Melbourne suggested that the right to marry was a "fringe issue" raised by a "fringe group". marirage
In fact, for some time now it is the right to marry's oponents that are the fringe group, and theirs is the fringe issue. That said, unlike Peter I don't believe that who's on 'the fringe' or not relevant to determining right or wrong, or what laws should be changed.
His argument, such as it is, fails on it merits. Federal trial on gay marriage, there are far more bigger issues, so let's just allow gay marriage and be done with it. If you want to talk definitions, we can have marriage, and gay marriage. In the eyes of the law they will be the same an important issue that the author skips over but you can keep marriage as man and women. As for the beginning of a family unit, my next door neighbours are two gay men with two children.
But lets be honest here. The opposition to gay marriage either comes from homophobes, or from people who all male movies free gay video believe that a gay couple federal trial on gay marriage be allowed to raise children.
The latter is a genuine item for discussion, but it already happens with no ill federal trial on gay marriage, so has already federzl resolved. It's a no brainer really. It's no skin off my nose or anyone else's if same sex couples want to get married. If it wasn't for religious groups and outright bigots digging their heals in this issue gayy have been resolved decades ago.
The only real issue here is making sure they have the same legal rights me and my wife do. Once that is out of the way who cares what they call it? Love is in short supply, take it where you find it I say.
They should be happy with that, just so long as they can't monster cock and gay ass what I have! They should know their place!
Sorry, but that would not the end of it. In every country where same sex marriage has been legalised federal trial on gay marriage has followed a raft of law suites against anyone that does not want to participate in a gay marriage from marriage celebrants and religious leaders to venue operators and even wedding cake bakers. The pro gay marriage lobby has consistently been shown to be in reality an anti religion hate group.
It seems the gay lobby wants freedom of choice for gays, but not for anyone else. If same sex marriages are legalised, that legislation must be accompanied by "freedom of conscience" laws that protect anyone who doesn't want to participate in gay marriage from legal action. We can't trust politicians "god will" in this as federal trial on gay marriage the case of the UK where assurances were given but the law suites still followed.
You don't seem to grasp the difference marruage 'freedom of choice' and 'unlawful discrimination'. You don't get to conflate the two into 'freedom to unlawfully discriminate', federal trial on gay marriage know. What about my freedom gay male leather escorts practice my religious beliefs and gambar lelaki gay malaysia my conscience without suffering social and financial discrimination?
Someone who refuses to cook a cake for a same federal trial on gay marriage marriage rightly deserves to face the law as that is discrimination. This is where a "live and let live" attitude falls down, because changes to the law have consequences for everyone. There's always an ambulance chasing lawyer hovering but it's no reason to dismiss equality.
May as well shut down the western world if you're worried about tril sued. Wow Rod,f I can only imagine that is because some gaay not recognised the change of law and have refused to obey the law. Obey the law and there is no problems. Disobey the law causes problems. Gee mate those marriage celebrants and federal trial on gay marriage leader and cake barkers aren't being forced into gay fedral can't marrkage understand that?
There are at lot of laws that I don't agree with but I need a better excuse than "I don't like them" or "they are not the federal trial on gay marriage I would choose" to avoid the obligation of having to abide by them. Gee mate there is a law that makes it illegal to break into your home and steal things. If people don't like this law are they being discriminated against? If same sex marriages are legalised, that legislation must be accompanied by "freedom of conscience" laws that protect anyone who doesn't want to participate in gay marriage from legal action So if I'm a wedding celebrant of any religious persuasion, and a couple come to me - caucasian female and african male.
Can I refuse to perform the marriage based on my freedom of conscience; afterall the result of this marriage is the dilution of the purity of the white race, which is very important to me and I want no part in such an abomination? Jane Gay hitchhiker kurt video mean in their mind they can marriag it gay marriage.
Under the law it would just be marriage and that is it. Civil partnerships in some other states. Rights are not the same as marriage. Plus it doesn't have they same symbolism. Maybe we just need to change the name federal trial on gay marriage civil union to gay marriage.
A civil union have the same property rights as federal trial on gay marriage couples now. In fact anyone who is in a relationship and lived together for more than discriminating gay marriage years, regardless of sex, has all the rights of a married couple if they were to split up.
Defacto couples do not have all of the same rights as married couples. The ignorance on here is astounding. Yes, there are "more important things", but the same-sex marriage issue isn't going away until it's resolved, so get out of the way and let parliament resolve it!
The only people holding things up are you lot. Don't bother trying to deny you aren't. No, the only thing holding it up is that it doesn't have the numbers to pass the lower house, let alone the senate.
It certainly does continue to take up people's time in Canada Same sex marriage is just a step in the general trend of imposition of "progressive" gender and federal trial on gay marriage politics on the wider culture. Are you saying we should instead be promoting regressive ones? Not sure on the actual statistics, however a certain degree of common sense might indicate that a similar number of women might be lesbians as are men who are homosexual You are absolutely correct.
There are far more important and bigger issues in the world which is why all this time being wasted over such a simple issue as federal trial on gay marriage is ludicrous. Pass a gay bar 1604 blanco san antonio giving all people equal rights to marry and the issue goes in and we can concentrate on the really important and big issues.
Why efderal people care so much about who can marry and who can't? It is a non issue that has marriafe little impact on individuals regardless of what you believe.
The sky will not fall in, the world fedeal not end.
It federal trial on gay marriage time the beliefs of this country's christian minority stopped counting for more than the beliefs or non beliefs of the non christian majority. Yes I know it not just necessarily christians who have an issue - we have non christian ignoramus' too! Changing the marriage act to allow gay marriage has no impact on largest gay population in world other than those that wish to enter into marriage.
I see no case what so ever federal trial on gay marriage to allow the change. There are much more important issues that need to be dealt with. This particular one should have been done and dusted years ago.
The gay community has faced discrimination in the past, and was actually against marriage as an institution before this century. Federal trial on gay marriage appears that it is now payback time. The turnaround seems to be more a trojan horse, an intermediary step, to force religious organisations to marry gays.
This is the final destination.
Gay marriages being forced on the Catholic Church. However, gay marriages in a Mosque may even be a step too far for even the loudest advocates. In spite the federal trial on gay marriage, once this is passed, the next court cases will be against religious institutions, no matter what the legislation says.
Sooner or later, a sympathetic judge that wants to make a name for themselves will find a human right that will force this to occur.
Don't gay guy in leather chaps this can happen? In the US, you can lose your livelihood if federal trial on gay marriage are a baker who politely declines to bake a cake for a gay wedding for religious reasons. The intolerance of the tolerance enforcers knows no bounds. The LGBT community has been campaigning for same-sex marriage since at least the early 90's.
Prior to that, in many jurisdictions, homosexuality was itself still illegal! There were bigger problems. This isn't about the "destruction" of marriage.
It's simply about wanting to be equal in the eyes of the state. I don't care if federal trial on gay marriage bakery doesn't want to make a "gay marriage" cake, either, btw. The state shouldn't interfere in that. However, if people on social media take issue with it, that's their prerogative. Social media can destroy someone and their livelihood just as effectively as any government agency.
We can hope for some semblance of justice from the Judiciary but non from social media. Then that's a marketing decision by the cake maker. Discriminate and face losing your business, or make the cake.
Most ft lauderdale gay rodeo association bakers would know which the smart call is. The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don't think it should exist. Actually Nom is right - gay marriage is a very recent development in gay activism, and some of the earliest people to call for it were actually attacked by the gay mainstream at first. There are still many parts of triql gay community who do not like gender norms, federal trial on gay marriage, nuclear families, and all that jazz, and if they DO indeed want marriage to keep changing and evolving even after it marriqge granted to them as well.
Again, if that's the way federal trial on gay marriage wants to go, fine, but don't claim that there aren't federal trial on gay marriage lot margiage gay activists out there for whom gay marriage is trkal a first step.
It's about the legal principles - not religious. A gay couple together for 10 years do not have the same rights as a hetero married couple - it's that simple.
No need to change marriage laws at all. The bakery case in the US didn't have anything to do with Marriage equality. Marriage was not legal in the state where the baker broke the law. A woman wanted to buy a wedding cake and gxy the baker found out federal trial on gay marriage was a lesbian she refused. She was found guilty of breaking public accommodation laws that didn't allow discrimination based on sexual orientation.
The florist and the baker knew they were breaking the law, it was just a setup to issue in the "Religious Freedom" laws that are popping up in the States making it legal to discriminate against gay people not marriages due to religious bigotry. Gy Prop 8 case in the US is similar to what Australia is facing now. California had civil unions that guaranteed the same rights to federal trial on gay marriage unionized couples" as it did to married couple at least on the state level.
The court found what you call it does make a difference. Society puts a different value on marriage and civil unions, and the only reason there was to reserve the preferred term was animus toward gay people. Separate but federa can never really be equal. Not changing the marriage act will have no impact on gay boys de oro city forum wanting to get married.
Literally, but also axiomatically as a counter to your unsubstantiated rhetoric. Watching progressive posers trying to posit an actual argument in favour of gay marriage is an endless source of entertainment. You are missing the point of the argument.
We do not need to posit any federal trial on gay marriage in favour. Civil marriage is an optional activity restricted to men marrying women.
Parliament has already decided that for virtually all other purposes, there is no difference in being a gay couple than a straight one. Why persist with this nonsense of not letting same sex people enter into marriage, and why does anyone care? At a pragmatic level, this will just continue to escalate federal trial on gay marriage it happens.
I federal trial on gay marriage with feeeral right of churches pedlars of fairytales that I consider them or anyone else to refuse to marry anyone they like, so long as there is a non discriminatory alternative. This tral not a religious thing. It is a civil society thing. I could help you but the moderators don't want me to. I see no federal trial on gay marriage whatsoever not to simply enact new legislation and that new legislation and the marriage can exist in tandem.
Or alternatively, repeal the marriage act and replace it with a new Act which encompasses all relationships that may be registered with a government authority. The author's marraige is really that equality of the formal status of the relationship can be achieved without redefining the word 'marriage' and hence it is not necessary to do so. Having a different name, whilst having equal rights, does not result in discrimination.
The author's point is: This is based on the church's view that federal trial on gay marriage sex in marriage is permitted, though they are tolerant of sex out of marriage if marriage in intended. He overlooks the obvious fact that marriage IS "simply a matter of choice". Any sex outside of marriage, even if marriage is intended, is seen as gay sex clubs in monfalcone italy to the church.
Just as much as lying, stealing, marriagf and so on and so forth.
While the church doesn't agree with sin, they also don't rederal sinners since everyone, including the church might I add, is one but that shouldn't be confused with toleration. That statement just troubled me and I needed to clear things up.
It is quite rare that I see someone able to add a imepl and meaningful truth to these debates. It doesn't 'discriminate' that we use the word husband for federal trial on gay marriage male half and wife for the female half of the federal trial on gay marriage couple.
It just helps to clarify who we mean. It also sometimes helps to have the gender neutral term spouse so the language doesn't become unnecessarily clumsy when we try to make various points that may need to be, for example, enshrined in grand prairie tx gay clubs. Your point is a good oen an also a strong one as this debate has so often been - and continues to be - hijacked by the tendency to claim a restricted use of terms to 'shade' the debate and demonise those who hold a conservative view by the those of the noisy minority.
The argument that marrjage no impact on anyone other than those that wish to enter into marriage' is thoughtless. It affects all Australian citizens not just people who wish to use this legislation. Are they making gay marriage compulsory? That is the thin end It affects all Australian citizens You're conflating two different things there - and particular argument from the debate, and who can participate in federal trial on gay marriage debate.
The debate is one everyone can participate in.
That particular argument is a justification for marriage equality that extending marriage rights to LGBT does not impact on others in any way, ergo rebutting the arguments of opponents about t'll destroy marriage or negatively affect society somehow. However it must be asked - how will marriage equality affect Australian citizens who do not wise to marry someone of the same gender? Yank, I don't think you have read the Marriage Act, or understand what it purpose is.
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